Suno Says User Creations Helped Train Its Music Model Amid New Copyright Suit

Sony and Universal say music generated by earlier Suno models may carry forward the effects of allegedly unauthorized training. Suno disputes their claims.

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Suno Says User Creations Helped Train Its Music Model Amid New Copyright Suit
Suno Says User Creations Helped Train Its Music Model Amid New Copyright Suit

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Suno says music created on its platform helped train its newest model, V6—putting users’ own creations at the center of a copyright dispute. Sony Music Entertainment and Universal Music Group say the model may have carried forward material from earlier Suno systems that they allege learned from recordings without permission. The labels filed a new lawsuit in Boston on September 18, alleging Suno copied 60,202 recordings they control. Suno disputes the claims, calling them flawed on the facts and the law; no court has decided the case. In a September 22 filing, Suno described V6 as trained on licensed music from partners, creations made through its service, and signals from users’ preferences. It says uploaded audio files were not part of the training data. But the company has not said how much user-created music was used or identified the recordings involved. Its terms, effective September 3, allow it to use submitted and generated content to improve its models, while not transferring ownership of users’ original submissions. The labels’ concern is that V6 learned from outputs of older Suno models, inheriting capabilities they say were developed using unauthorized recordings. They call that alleged process “model laundering.” That is the labels’ characterization, not a finding by a court. The key unanswered question is how much V6 relied on user-created music—and what those earlier models had learned.

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Suno’s September 22 filing describes V6 as trained with licensed partner material, music made on its platform and user preference signals. Sony Music Entertainment and Universal Music Group allege the model also learned from outputs of earlier Suno systems, which they say carried knowledge derived from unauthorized recordings. The dispute now puts model-to-model training under scrutiny: Suno has not disclosed the...

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    The labels’ September 18 complaint alleges Suno copied 60,202 sound recordings they control.

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    Suno says V6 training did not include users’ uploaded audio files, but did include creations made through its service.

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    Suno’s terms effective September 3 grant it a broad, nonexclusive license to use submitted and generated content to improve its models.

Suno says music created through its platform helped train its latest AI music model. That disclosure puts user creations at the center of a new copyright fight: Sony Music Entertainment and Universal Music Group allege the model carries forward material from earlier systems they say used their recordings without permission.

The labels filed their second copyright lawsuit against Suno in Boston federal court on September 18. They allege it copied 60,202 sound recordings they control without authorization to develop its AI music technology. Suno’s September 22 response supplied a sharper description of its V6 training: licensed content from music partners, plus creations and preference signals from interactions with users.

The filing came nine days after Suno launched V6, a model it described as developed with Warner Music Group, BMG and Believe.

What Suno says went into V6

Suno draws a distinction between audio uploaded by users and music created through its service. It previously said the user data used to train V6 did not include uploaded audio files. Its later statement identifies user creations and preference signals as training inputs, alongside licensed material. The company has not specified what share came from user-generated music or identified the individual recordings used.

Suno’s terms of service, effective September 3, give it a broad, nonexclusive license to use submitted and generated content for purposes that include improving its AI models. That permission does not automatically transfer ownership of users’ original submissions to Suno. The terms address Suno’s use of content on its platform; the labels’ suit raises a different question about the training history of the models that produced some of it.

The alleged link between old and new

Sony and Universal argue that licensing some training material for V6 would not necessarily break its connection to earlier models. Their complaint alleges V6 was trained partly on music those models produced and that Suno used techniques to transfer capabilities developed through earlier training. In their account, a newer model can learn from an older model’s output even without directly receiving the recordings at issue.

The labels call this alleged process “model laundering.” The phrase is their argument, not a court finding. It describes their concern that a second model could inherit characteristics learned from copyrighted recordings through music generated by a first model. Suno calls the labels’ claims fundamentally flawed on both the facts and the law. No final judicial determination has been made in the new case.

Sources

  1. routenote.comSony and UMG Sue Suno Again Over AI Music Training - What ‘Model Laundering’ Means - RouteNote - Radar
  2. rockumweb.comSuno Confirms V6 AI Music Model Was Trained on User Creations as Sony and Universal File New Copyright Lawsuit

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